Addressing some points raised by drakeshelton in his videos “Eastern Orthodoxy Refuted,” which he posted as responses to a couple of my older videos.
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Written by davidpwithun about 1 year ago.
@ic2705 No, I don’t assume such a uniformity. Have you watched my videos on the history of Scripture? I’m familiar. Please don’t tell me what my vision is; I prefer facts not psychologizing.
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Written by ic2705 about 1 year ago.
@davidpwithun
As for your second point I was addressing related assumptions which stem from your first assumption of the East being the only preserver of the ancient faith. Not only do you assume the uniformity of the usage of the Septuagint throughout the ancient world but also the uniformity of the canon which was not uniformed until after the fourth century. I said all this to say you have a Romantic vision of the Eastern church, like Rome did until they were challenged at the Reformation. -
Written by ic2705 about 1 year ago.
@davidpwithun
I thought we were dialoguing and not in a courtroom. There is only enough room for assertions. You had nine minutes in your video and you made only assertions. “The faith of the ancient church is preserved only in the Orthodox Church.” That’s not an assertion? I think every Christian not in the Eastern church would dispute that. And my assertion is that this sounds exactly like Rome. This seems to be true on its face value. -
Written by davidpwithun about 1 year ago.
@ic2705 1. But you must prove that that is a “historical error” in order for it to be so; instead you simply assert it. 2. You seem to confuse the Old Testament and New Testament canons here. You say that I assume a uniform NT canon from the beginning (I don’t) and then explain that statement with reference to “Hebrew Scriptures.” That doesn’t make sense.
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Written by ic2705 about 1 year ago.
I would say you make the historical error of Roman Catholics in assuming the Orthodox to be the only preserver of ancient Christianity. In this same thought process you assume a uniformed NT from the beginning and a textual version which is the only true version. This is simply not true to history. Various ancient canons exists through the 4th century differing slightly and the Hebrew Scriptures were held in high esteem along with the Greek. Your approach is a modern approach to the canon.
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Written by BoricuaManhood about 1 year ago.
David, I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian from the Antiochian Church and I must say thank you, my dear brother for your patient explanation. It was understandable and very educational for me. It has helped me in my walk with Christ. The late great Roman Catholic Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said there isn’t even a hundred people in America alone who hate what the Catholic Church teaches, but there’s millions who hate what they THINK the Catholic teaches! It applies more to Orthodoxy!
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Written by MrHajj1 about 1 year ago.
AMEN
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Written by EtsiKawoni about 1 year ago.
@drakeshelton Guess you forgot about the Scottish Covenanters that exist in America. They DO hold to the 1646 WCF. Also, you appear to not know much about churches in America. There are more than a few, including Reformed, that do not celebrate Holy Days and hold strictly to the Regulative Principle. Hybrid with Anglican and Lutheran…that’s funny.
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Written by MyBetty111 about 1 year ago.
The Free Church of Scotland? Sounds like a secular organization, not a real Church.
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Written by drakeshelton about 1 year ago.
So David, what about our debate?
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Written by davidpwithun about 1 year ago.
Uh-huh; I witness everyday. The difference is in understanding. Did you understand what he was doing? Did you ask him? Did you research it? Did you read the text of the prayers he was saying? Or did you let your own prejudices and ignorance guide you?
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Written by davidpwithun about 1 year ago.
Which one?
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Written by VyckRo about 1 year ago.
you should have them, give him to read
Bible Acts 11:26-27,
1 Timothy 3:15,
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Written by VyckRo about 1 year ago.
People are confused about Orthodoxy
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Written by drakeshelton about 1 year ago.
The Free Church of Scotland
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Written by davidpwithun about 1 year ago.
Who exactly are you in communion with?
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Written by OrthodoxRobert about 1 year ago.
Yes, and the Church “knows” those forgeries. What is your point? It would be one thing if the Church presented them as authentic when in fact they were not. But the Church isn’t doing that. So, again, what was your point if it wasn’t an attempt to poison a well. Show letters from patristics that the Church hold to be authentic, when in fact, you know they are not.
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Written by drakeshelton about 1 year ago.
David mentioned more than Mary, look at the comments for David’s 3rd video and I quote “Ignatius has been known for a very long time to have had seven genuine letters and several forgeries in his name.”
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Written by drakeshelton about 1 year ago.
I don’t accept the premise that your chaplain is presbyterian. The American “Presbyterians” do not hold to the 1646 confession and for the most part reject the regulative principle(puritan worship) and practice holy days. They are more a hybrid with anglican/lutheran.
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Written by davidpwithun about 1 year ago.
My unit’s chaplain is a Presbyterian. Should you have him excommunicated?
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Written by Colts4ever123 about 1 year ago.
Drakeshelton has a problem with the Catholic Church. He does not understand ORTHODOXY if he did he would not disagree with David.
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Written by OrthodoxRobert about 1 year ago.
@drakeshelton You acknowledge they are bankrupt. That is what we call making progress.
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Written by Twycross about 1 year ago.
@drakeshelton
Oh that’s neat. Let’s tack on isms and ists to people. Won’t it be fun!
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Written by Twycross about 1 year ago.
@drakeshelton
So because you looked at this with your eyes you knew exactly what he was saying and what he believed in his heart and you could tell he was “worshiping” the icon? Let’s not be arrogant here.
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Written by OrthodoxRobert about 1 year ago.
This coming from a guy who had to have his stuff removed from Perry Robinson’s blog because it was so “respectful” of those who disagreed with him? My post was nothing compared to the impudence you have publicly demonstrated. Physician, heal thyself.
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